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NJ Gov. Chris Christie Stands By Absence From State During Storm (Part 3 of my seeding series)

Seeded on Mon Jan 3, 2011 10:40 AM EST
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"Gov. Chris Christie (R-NJ), who was on vacation in Disney World during last weeks' big snowstorm, returned to the state on Friday to defend his absence -- and to blast the local mayors' handling of the situation.

"I wouldn't change the decision even if I could do it right now," Christie told reporters on New Year's Eve, the Star Ledger reports. "I had a great five days with my children. I promised that." He also added that his wife Mary Pat told him to not "even think about" canceling the trip.

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Colonial82

Yes, I can understand what he is saying about calling from anywhere, but I don't like the statement of "I wouldn't change the decision even if I could do it right now". Come on, at least pretend you tried to get back ASAP, but you decided to keep on with your vacation.

Everyone is always welcome on my seeds, I will recommend everyone's post for taking their time to do so, and I won't delete anyone. Please stay respectful of one another. Please watch your language.

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 10:42 AM EST
devilsadvocates

Colonel....the leader left in charge said Christy didn't call. With technology today, we can find proof of that easy enough!

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 11:08 AM EST
Colonial82

devilsadvocates, I can believe that and heck I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt even when I am not sure he deserved it.

Have a great day.

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 11:37 AM EST
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devilsadvocates

How many days did Christy KNOW about a huge storm barreling toward the coast? And he still went on vacation to Florida?! How irresponsible. Most of us, if we suspect a event comprable as happening while we are gone, would cancel or postpone our vacations to handle the proble head on and not whine if confronted if we went anyway!

  • 3 votes
#2 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 11:06 AM EST
kazutam

How many days did Christy KNOW about a huge storm barreling toward the coast? And he still went on vacation to Florida?! How irresponsible.

And cancelling a vaction he had promised to his kids would have done exactly WHAT to stop the snow storm?

Or were you expecting him to be out there driving a snow plow?

  • 1 vote
#2.1 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 12:45 PM EST
devilsadvocates

AS the GOV....(HIS CHOICE) should have been to postpone the vacation and deal with the storm or let his family go and deal with the storm in their absence. Disney would have been there after the storm was dealt with! And probably with warmer weather if he postponed that trip!

There have been OTHER state leaders who DID drive snow plows!

  • 1 vote
#2.2 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 1:34 PM EST
kazutam

AS the GOV....(HIS CHOICE) should have been to postpone the vacation and deal with the storm

And exactly WHAT was he supposed to do to "deal" with the storm?

Stand on the front steps of the state capitol and demand that the snow stop falling?

There have been OTHER state leaders who DID drive snow plows!

And are the actually QUALIFIED to drive them? Or where those photo-ops?

Have you ever seen the amount of damage those machines can cause? And that is with fully qualified drivers. I believe that there is a video out there about one of the plows in NYC that got stuck and the damage caused while towing it out.

There are employees whose JOB it is to drive those, should they just sit home and get paid for doing nothing while the governor is out driving the plows? If so, WHAT are they being paid for?

I mean this entire subject is rather silly.

The dude took a vacation with his family, and a snow storm hit.

So he should be condemned for that?

    #2.3 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 2:06 PM EST
    Colonial82

    Kazutam,

    He was elected to do a job and being around during emergencies is part of that job. If he didn't want to do his job, then he shouldn't have ran for the office.

    Have a good day.

    • 2 votes
    #2.4 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 2:25 PM EST
    kazutam

    He was elected to do a job and being around during emergencies is part of that job

    Is keeping his word part of that job also?

    See to ME that is a big thing, especially when we are talking about kids being involved.

    I've been that way with my kids and am continuing it with my grandkids. If I tell them I'm going to do something, I make SURE that I do it. Which is exactly what he did, he promised his kids this trip and kept his word.

    I'm not sure exactly what folks think would have changed had he been physically present in the state at the time of the snow storm.

    I mean let's be serious here, would it have snowed any less?, would the clean-up have happened any faster?, would there have been any fewer power outages?, wrecks?, folks stranded?

    What would have changed had he been physically present?

    So they had forecast this storm, let me ask, how often have you seen the forecasts be wrong?

    I ask that because I see it all the time here. I also found out an interesting fact a while back. When the weather guys call for a 50% chance of rain, here what they mean is that it's going to rain over 50% of their broadcast area, not that there is a one in two chance that it's going to rain everywhere.

      #2.5 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 2:37 PM EST
      lifeisgood43

      kazutam........ Govern should have stay home or at least called. If he didn't, he is going to get blamed and if he did, he still is going to get blamed.. He comes with the job. Hell, Bloomberg stayed home and still got blamed. This is going to dog him for a while and someone will use this as a political backlash.

      As far as keeping a promise to kids, I call bull crap. He knew that is job is more important than keeping a trip to Disney Land. People breaks promises to kids everyday and like I said before, sometimes you have to

      • 2 votes
      #2.6 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 3:11 PM EST
      kazutam

      People breaks promises to kids everyday

      And like I said that is a pet peeve of mine.

      There is NOTHING like the look in a kids eyes when a parent promises them something(like coming to pick them up/visit on their visitation weekend) and then NOT showing up.

      Childhood is supposed to be a time of learning. What are we teaching kids now a days with our actions? That it's perfectly OK to break your word, if you have a good excuse?

      See I'm pretty "old school" about that, my kids heard all the time growing up "You are only as good as your word, if your word is no good, then you are NOT to be trusted".

      Part 2 of this 3 part posting dealt with the fact that this was a planned vacation and the LT. Governor was supposed to be there to deal with emergencies(this is the FIRST year they have had a LT. Governor), but ended up out of town on a family medical emergency.

      The dude made plans for this vacation, he was under the impression that someone was in place to handle things. That turned out to have changed, so NOW he is going to be slammed for it?

      Don't get me wrong please, I have NO love for any politician. BUT I would much rather see them slammed for their mistakes and missteps, of which they make many, then to roast some guy because of a weather event?

      See this makes as much sense as the grief that Bush got over Katrina because people who were TOLD TO LEAVE stayed in place and died, so THAT was Bush's fault.

        #2.7 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 3:38 PM EST
        lifeisgood43

        kazutam... it happens to leaders all of the time. When you are in a lead position and you go out of a state that is dealing with a major problem, you are the target. It is that simple. The man should have stay home. Point blank.

        Yes, I give you breaking promise is bad, but you as a Govern will break many more promise okay. It is that way for many parents with kids when the parent has a high profile job or really any job that has a major issues that comes up.

        Once again, planned vacation are cancel or put away for a later date lots of time.

        • 2 votes
        #2.8 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 6:27 PM EST
        devilsadvocates

        kazutam.....I am big for keeping a promise but can you really tell me any politician who has managed that feat! Christy CHOOSE to run for office and that JOB must take precedence over a "holiday" with the family. The WIFE should certainly understand and the kids should be old enough to understand a commitment to the job necessary as GOVERNOR!

        • 2 votes
        #2.9 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 7:47 PM EST
        PfftWhatever!

        So, Obama taking foreign vacations and spending money hand over fist, outside of the US during the worst recession in history or taking a break during the BP oil spill to get in a few rounds of golf is OK, but Gov Christie better not leave the @!$%#ing state during the holiday season, if there is a possibility of snow!! You people are a damn joke...

          #2.10 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 10:38 PM EST
          kazutam

          Pfft

          I think your reply fits perfectly.

          I'm not sure exactly what the problem folks have with this governor is, but they surely do seem to be holding him to a higher standard than most other governors.

          He planned a vacation with his family during the winter. Well guess what? In that part of the country it snows in the winter.

          There is a LT. Governor, who was supposed to be covering in case of an emergency, who ended up out of town due to a family medical emergency, which I knid of surprised that these folks aren't screaming about along the lines of "Stay in the state, it snowing. Who cares if your relative dies or whatever, just be here when it snows". On top of which there is a clearly defined chain of command that puts someone else in charge if neither the Governor nor LT. Governor is available.

          Using the "logic" that these folks are using the president shouldn't have taken a vacation, since there was snow on the ground all up and down the East Coast, and where was he? Hawaii.

            #2.11 - Tue Jan 4, 2011 9:38 AM EST
            Colonial82

            There is a LT. Governor, who was supposed to be covering in case of an emergency, who ended up out of town due to a family medical emergency, which I knid of surprised that these folks aren't screaming about along the lines of "Stay in the state, it snowing. Who cares if your relative dies or whatever, just be here when it snows". On top of which there is a clearly defined chain of command that puts someone else in charge if neither the Governor nor LT. Governor is available.

            Kazutam,

            In case you haven't heard, her relative has cancer but they were not dying that week, she went on a CRUISE with them. One of them should have been responsible and cancelled.

            Using the "logic" that these folks are using the president shouldn't have taken a vacation, since there was snow on the ground all up and down the East Coast, and where was he? Hawaii.

            It is called "States Rights", remember how conservatives don't want the federal government inferring in their business, why is it different now? The President does not need to be there because we have governors who govern a state. And if case you didn't know, he is actually from Hawaii so it is not like he is just going there for no reason.

            Have a good day.

            • 3 votes
            #2.12 - Tue Jan 4, 2011 10:12 AM EST
            Colonial82

            So, Obama taking foreign vacations and spending money hand over fist, outside of the US during the worst recession in history or taking a break during the BP oil spill to get in a few rounds of golf is OK, but Gov Christie better not leave the @!$%#ing state during the holiday season, if there is a possibility of snow!! You people are a damn joke...

            Pfftwhatever!,

            It wasn't just a posibbility of snow, it was a predicted blizzard. This was an immediate crisis and the items you mentioned are long-term, plus President Obama has been and still is criticized by conservatives on those all the time.

            Plus what about "states rights"? I thought conservatives didn't want the federal government getting into states' responsibilities. We have governors for a reason: to governor and be responsible for each state, which was Gov Christie. I would be saying the exact same thing about a democrat governor too.

            Have a good day.

            Have a good day.

            • 3 votes
            #2.13 - Tue Jan 4, 2011 10:19 AM EST
            kazutam

            It is called "States Rights",

            I must say that I LOVE the way you all "flip-flop" on things.

            So NOW "states rights" are OK, as we are talking about a snow storm, BUT "states rights" are NOT OK when we are talking about illegal immigration.

            You all REALLY need to make up your minds..............................

              #2.14 - Tue Jan 4, 2011 10:38 AM EST
              Colonial82

              Kazutam,

              I didn't flip-flop, I am just using the conservative argument. Plus there are no states rights for discrimination. Plus you can't be a citizen of a state, you can only be a citizen of a country. States are not in charge of immigration.

              Plus, who is "you all"? I am not a democrat or a liberal. A moderate independent is what I am.

              Have a good day.

              • 2 votes
              #2.15 - Tue Jan 4, 2011 11:13 AM EST
              kazutam

              OK,

              So you don't see the "flip-flop", that's cool.

              As far as the "you all", I suppose I should have spelled it out like it sounds.....................y'all

                #2.16 - Tue Jan 4, 2011 11:37 AM EST
                Colonial82

                As far as the "you all", I suppose I should have spelled it out like it sounds.....................y'all

                Kazutam, I am sorry, but I still don't know who you are talking about with "you all" or "y'all".

                So you don't see the "flip-flop", that's cool.

                No, I still don't see it. I was using the conservative argument, I never said whether I believed in states rights or not. Did I? In case you missed it, I was trying to show you that conservatives claim states rights for one issue and then cry for the federal government to save them the next.

                Have a good day.

                • 2 votes
                #2.17 - Tue Jan 4, 2011 12:04 PM EST
                kazutam

                Kazutam, I am sorry, but I still don't know who you are talking about with "you all" or "y'all".

                It is simply a form of address, that doesn't mean anyone in particular.

                As in "Y'all are idiots for arguing about subjects on the internet".

                It is both excluse and inclusive at the same time.

                I guess it's my way of saying(in a "shorthand" form) "If this applies to you, it's meant for you. If not then not".

                  #2.18 - Tue Jan 4, 2011 12:28 PM EST
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                  Colonial82

                  Is keeping his word part of that job also?

                  See to ME that is a big thing, especially when we are talking about kids being involved.

                  Kazutam,

                  No, his word to his kids are not part of his job description for the state of New Jersey. Parts all over the country have to miss events with this kids because they have jobs to do, Governor Christie is no different. Kids will understand if he would tell them why becauase they are not stupid.

                  So they had forecast this storm, let me ask, how often have you seen the forecasts be wrong?

                  Uhm, yes, but not usually a couple days before it and when they are calling for a blizzard. He has a responsibility to the state and the people of New Jersey to be there. And yes being there matters.

                  And before you bring this up, this isn't a partisan issue. I don't care what party Christie is part of, my responses would be the same.

                  Have a good day.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#3 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 2:59 PM EST
                  kazutam

                  Once again, WHAT would have been any different if he had been physically present in the state at the time?

                  Would it have changed ANYTHING?

                  That is other than folks complaining that he was on vacation out of state.

                    #3.1 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 3:10 PM EST
                    Colonial82

                    Once again, WHAT would have been any different if he had been physically present in the state at the time?

                    Kazutam,

                    You keep ignoring the fact it was his JOB to be there. He should be there during times of emergency since he ran to be the leader of that state. He actually has to be there to see the situation, something you can't see over the phone or on TV.

                    Have a good day.

                    • 2 votes
                    #3.2 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 3:31 PM EST
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                    Colonial82

                    .....

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#4 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 3:30 PM EST
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